My First Yak advice

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Re: My First Yak advice

#46 Post by NathanG » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:26 am

Dreadfish wrote:as above its pretty important to try before you buy. saying that i have found that the feeling of instability is pretty normal on a new kayak. its just you are not used to it. over a period of time you will get used to it and it wont feel so tippy.
BUT. looking at your pics the yak sits down at the front compared to a prowler. i suspect that yours would go through a wave rather than ride over it and it wouldnt need to be a very big wave. ive had my prowler elite for going on 9 years now and i love it. im also at around 120-130 kg and its fine for me stable, good speed and has a good amount of capacity. a newer prowler with the centre pod has a lot more accessable storage. there should be a few around second hand that are a good price as people upgrade.
I have recently added a stealth to my lineup but for a different purpose to my prowler and i found it initially weird to paddle compared to the prowler but after a few times its all good
thats good to know ill be keeping my eyes open
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Re: My First Yak advice

#47 Post by Salty Dog » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:33 pm

Bummer to hear that you got something that you weren't happy with Nathan. I think you nailed it when you said that the seat was too high making it more unstable.

Also a bummer about the weight rating scenario. It's bit of a trap for young players. I don't think that there is a proper standard for how manufacturers rate how much weight their kayaks will take. At the end of the day it's mostly related to the actual volume of the boat. Length, width & hull shape, (ie fuller shape = more volume) are what are going to add to the volume. That's why similar size kayaks should be expected to have a similar weight rating. What that weight rating should be is tough to know unless you actually load them up on the water though seeing as you get a mixed bag of different weight ratings from different manufacturers. Some kayaks like Stealths have buoyancy foam to try & increase the weight that you can safely carry but for your bog standard roto moulded plastic kayak, you won't expect that.

With your size, I would have said that you would probably be best off with something at least 4.5 metres long. If you want a rough idea of how much difference the extra length might make to weight capacity, I checked three Ocean Kayak models 4.3m, 4.5m & 4.7m long with the same width. They gave an extra 15kgs weight rating for each 20cm increase in length. You want to check that the model you are looking at doesn't have any known issues too just in case. There was an old Prowler model, (Prowler 15) that used to take more water in the middle hatch than it should. There were some concerns as to whether it was safe for heavier paddlers.

Good luck with the refund.

If you have no luck & you are stuck with your kayak for a while, looking at it, it did seem like you would be able to get a normal seat in it which would help with your stability, especially for when you are expecting the conditions not to be so flat. You might have to live with a wet bum if you have scuppers holes around the seat though.

If you want to truly test out the stability you could find somewhere shallow to practice falling out but still be able to stand up & not have to practice deep water re-entries. It allows you to really know what the tipping point is. If you want to know how much difference your current high seat makes, you could practice falling out with the seat in place & then remove it altogether, sit directly on the plastic & practice falling out again. It might feel dumb but it's the best way to know what the limits are & for you to be more confident about when you might be in trouble or not when conditions are not ideal.

Good luck with it all.
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Re: My First Yak advice

#48 Post by NathanG » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:02 pm

gday salty dog
after few emails and a conv with consumer affairs the company refunded me in full.
Going to put that money aside and add to it and try get a OK ultra 4.7 advertised at 250 kgs on nz site but only 180 on usa site got me stumped gonna have to do more reaserch tho but then even if real world figures work out to be 20-30 kgs less then the 250 it will be perfect capacity wise for my weight( 120ish) and gear. plus they have those awesome ice pods wich are the perfect length to strap my dive fins to and a great place to put fish when spearing so gray suits dont come snooping.
the only other yaks iv seen with big capacitys are OK Prowler Big game 2 13ft 86cm wide 250-270 cap feel free lure 13.5 91cm 227 cap both approx and PA14
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#49 Post by Salty Dog » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:16 pm

Sorry for the late reply Nathan, not often on the forum these days.

Good to hear you got your cash back.

If you are looking at splashing out serious cash anyway on an OK Ultra 4.7 you could have a look at a Stealth. They are narrower but longer & have the flotation foam in them for extra buoyancy. They'll be quicker through the water than plastic.

I don't have any association with them, just a fan.

Models like this might be OK. Dennis T. is the man to talk to for all things Stealth. He is the distributor in Australia & should be able to tell you if any of the models are appropriate for you or not. Unless you are sure that fibreglass is not for you, I'd have a chat with Dennis. His number is on the kayak specialists web site.

These might be possibilities:
http://kayakspecialists.com.au/kayak-fi ... -fisha-500
http://kayakspecialists.com.au/kayak-fi ... ofisha-575
http://kayakspecialists.com.au/kayak-fi ... ofisha-525

Dennis tries to help people sell their 2nd hand kayaks when they upgrade, so you can keep an eye out here & the forums/Gumtree, etc:
http://kayakspecialists.com.au/specials ... sed-kayaks

The Fisha 500 is the replacement for the Evo 495. If you think that you like the Fisha 500 but want something more affordable, you could keep an eye out for a 2nd hand Evo 495.

Good luck with it.
Regards, Adam.

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#50 Post by NathanG » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:08 pm

a blokes holding me his OK prowler ultra 4.7 so i can try come up with i the extra cash its fully kitted out nothing left to spend for the right money
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#51 Post by Wind Waker » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:38 pm

Nice! That will paddle well as others have said. Well kitted out. Love the trolley. Great idea for longer walks to the ramp

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#52 Post by NathanG » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:29 pm

Wind Waker wrote:Nice! That will paddle well as others have said. Well kitted out. Love the trolley. Great idea for longer walks to the ramp
not getting the trolly as its in qld and im getting the kayak transporter to pick it up. but yeah is well kitted out wont need to buy anything just fish :gu: cant wait
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#53 Post by AshG » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:55 am

trolley? That's a freakin boat trailer :lol:

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#54 Post by Salty Dog » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:14 pm

Cool, looks more like what you were after Nathan.
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#55 Post by NathanG » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:49 pm

only few more hundreds to save :lol:
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#56 Post by NathanG » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:30 pm

Picked up my prowler last night can't wait to get it out
Wats the bestway to install the sounder transducer considering I want to upgrade down the track?

Just wondering has anyone swapped out the cross hatch to the click seal Hatch?
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#57 Post by Mackayak » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:36 pm

Great to hear you have got your yak. The sounder if you are going to up grade wet mount it. In saying that I have also removed transduces I have siliconed in but a bigger job. :wink:
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#58 Post by NathanG » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:38 am

I ended up sticking it down with a gel like sticky pad is sticky as. Hope it works
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#59 Post by paperboy » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:41 am

Hi was having a poke about and came across this post.
Wondering how the kayaks been going and your thought so far .Tried a pm but couldnt get it to work.
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Re: My First Yak advice

#60 Post by NathanG » Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:16 pm

Man I love my prowler very stable for its width n fast my only complaint is the centre pod is a cm to shallow for my large tackle box's.
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