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Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder!

Postby arpie » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:34 pm

Hi guys

Has anyone busted the 'down' Twist & Stow cable? It snapped right at the back (outside the yak!)

When I went over a bit of structure today, the 'down' cable of the Twist & Stow rudder - broke! Right now, I have the whole bungee/black cord up in the very front hatch of the Sport and nothing going out one of the rear 'holes' for the up/down gear. Being a Sport - there is no rear hatch, so no easy access to the rear section (tho I DO have a spare hatch that I could install if I have to.) :gu:

Has anyone ever replaced the spectre line only on a Sport? (I will have to buy some from Barclays) as obviously it is now too short to try to reattach.

How do you get it all threaded up. I've downloaded the Twist & Stow Rudder Repair manual .......
https://static.hobiecat.com/digital_ass ... Manual.pdf

I can't seem to find the Turning block that is indicated or know how to even start the repair - or how it 'matches up' with the 'up' system on the other side of the yak!

Any help greatly appreciated!!

cheers

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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby pdfarrell » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:01 pm

Does Graham Barkley Marine do repairs?

Must say last time I was in Forster I walked around in there for half an hour and no one came near me. They didn't seem busy either. :?:

Give James at HWS a buzz or get him on Facebook.

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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby arpie » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:15 pm

.....Give James at HWS a buzz or get him on Facebook.....

Good idea, Paul - thanks!

Yeah Barclays does stuff but ....... :roll:

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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby Plasman » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:27 pm

pdfarrell wrote:Does Graham Barkley Marine do repairs?

Must say last time I was in Forster I walked around in there for half an hour and no one came near me. They didn't seem busy either. :?:

Give James at HWS a buzz or get him on Facebook.

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Don't dare ask for something they don't stock at Barclays, they'll talk to you like you're an idiot.

I've replaced rudder stealing leads before but not the twist n stow so sorry, can't help.
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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby arpie » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:35 pm

....I've replaced rudder stealing leads before but not the twist n stow so sorry, can't help.....

How did you thread the spectre thru the small holes at the back & thru the plastic sheaths? My Sport doesn't have a rear hatch, so not as easy as those that do! :?:

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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby Plasman » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:46 pm

arpie wrote:....I've replaced rudder stealing leads before but not the twist n stow so sorry, can't help.....

How did you thread the spectre thru the small holes at the back & thru the plastic sheaths? My Sport doesn't have a rear hatch, so not as easy as those that do! :?:

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Run some heavy fishing line through the opposite way, tape it flat against the rudder cord then pull back through.
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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby arpie » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:51 pm

....Run some heavy fishing line through the opposite way, tape it flat against the rudder cord then pull back through. ...

Cool!! Keith had thought thin wire - thick fishing line sounds good!! :wink:

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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby Plasman » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:52 pm

arpie wrote:....Run some heavy fishing line through the opposite way, tape it flat against the rudder cord then pull back through. ...

Cool!! Keith had thought thin wire - thick fishing line sounds good!! :wink:

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They key is when you tape it that it is nice and flush like a continuous line, like an fg knot I suppose :wink:
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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby arpie » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:41 am

....They key is when you tape it that it is nice and flush like a continuous line, like an fg knot I suppose....

I will probably use braid to wrap both lots really well, nice & thin & no sharp bits.

Another suggestion was to use the Interline 'threader' if you have one (which I don't! :cry: ) Just another option for those who do.

Sadly, it is the lack of a rear hatch that will make mine more difficult, methinks!~ The plastic sheaths also are supposed to clip behind some sort of hook too so they are not flopping round .......

Found this one too, here - if you don't use the absolute same words, it doesn't come up with 'search'! :?: But he had a rear hatch! :roll:
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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby kaos » Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:23 am

Arpie give Rosco a buzz he might be able to give some tips he helped Butts repair his last weekend at conjola it only took the 3 of us about 1 1/2 hours .I did a wonderful job holding the umbrella.that was on an outback but I think it would be the same
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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby XDCammer » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:53 pm

Arpie, the black sheaths are removable from the tubes. Get a flat head screw driver blade pry the black sheaths out. This will remove the tube too. Pull the lot out.
The return pulley is situated on the inside of the hull (obviously). To the left and right of the Mirage drive well you will see two bolts, these hold the pulley. Reach in the hatch and locate the pulley and find the end of the spectra. The pulley should be threaded from the top and exit around to he bottom of the hull.
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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby XDCammer » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:10 pm

Ok where were we. Now locate the end of the shock cord (bungy) and remove the old stuff. Tie the new spectra to the shock cord (approx $2 per metre) better to get more than less, I reckon about 2-3 metres should do you safely. Next threat fishing line in through the back of the up/down hole you removed the tube from and tie it to the spectra and pull it through the hole and out of the hull.
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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby XDCammer » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:29 pm

Ok, next thread the spectra through the tube and then the black sheath. Once threaded you can slide the sheath into the tube and then the tube into the hole. Next get something long and flexable and move the spectra and tube around the inside hook. Make sure you have tied the spectra off to something or it will be lost back down the tube.
All you have to do then is watch the Hobie twist and stow mpeg to lace it up to the rudder drum again.

I hope all this makes sense. If not PM me.

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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby arpie » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:09 pm

Many thanks, XD ..... I am up & running again - the test worked 'on land', so hope it will do so on the water! Just hope I haven't over tightened the 'left hand' rudder turn when I did the screw up again! :idiot:

I got a couple of 'good 2m' of the Spectra cord (I did the measuring! :wink: )

Being the Sport, with no rear hatch, I used a long thin length of fibreglass pole with a hole in the end that I shoved in from the rear to the centre hatch, to facilitate tying the spectra on - to then pull it out thru the rear. Removing the plastic sheath (see pics below) makes for a bigger hole & easier to do this. Any long thin 'thing' even a bit of wire would work - only for the Sport tho - the other models all have rear hatches, I think.

That bloody little O-Ring in the middle of the sheath was a pain, so after removing the whole sheath, I took the end off it & used some thick whipper snipper cord to force the O-Ring out & pushed it up onto the spectra (with the end knob)
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Putting the sheath back into the hull
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I used a pair of Vice Grips to hold the Spectra in place after tensioning the cable & threading it around the rudder cowling - otherwise .... PING .... back up the hull it goes! :lol: The 'other UP' cable was already secured with a big knot ( as it was initially tied together with the 'down' cable) so it held on it's own - but had secured IT in the vicegrip as well, just in case!
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So the DOWN cable went round the BACK of the round spool there (showing the short busted bit) and went thru that hole & a knot tied in it there to secure it.
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When going over the shallows (with rubble) MAKE SURE YOU JUST UNDO THE CLEAT, so the rudder bounces over the rubble, then cleat it when back in the deeper water - or it will go BANG! And grab your paddle to use as a rudder!! (The rudder had reverted to the 'up' position when the BANG happened - so there was absolutely no rudder control!)


Thanks for all the assistance! Will test it out over the weekend!!

cheers

Roberta

(Only saw your posts after I'd finished it, XD ...... but I am sure others will 'bookmark' this one for future guidance! :wink:

Hey, Kaos - I had PM'd Butts, but he probably hasn't read it yet! :lol:
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Re: Hobie Twist & Stow cable broke at the back on the rudder

Postby XDCammer » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:57 pm

Cool mate, good to see you on the water again.
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