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Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby canaryfisher » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:17 pm

I love how hobie brings out backwards due to the increase of new Pedal kayaks coming onto the market.
I bet they semi got scared due to these kayaks being cheaper in price and have Pedal systems that can go backwards.

The issue I got with the new hobie Pedal drive which I've not tried but I seen a few videos on it is that
the whole point of the hobies I thought was less effort more fishing.. Now if you want to go backwards
you have to pull a cable to switch the fins backwards to go backwards which is pretty much the same as
if I just pull the drive out and switch backwards.. But maybe less time and less effort but you still have to
lean forward and pull a cable.. You would think that hobie being a multi million dollar company making us
spend thousands of dollars on the kayaks make something better in design.. Like I have to admit the shaft propels
are way better design then the hobie backward design as you just have to Pedal backwards on those kayaks instead
of pulling some cable..

Worse is most these new kayaks coming out with the new Pedal shafts things are mini versions or are same version of say a PA 12
which a PA 12 is nearly double the price of these propel kayaks that are pretty much the same...

All I can say is.. Come on hobie do a better job.
I love my hobie revo 13 and I doubt I will get a propel kayak even though its tempting I rather get a stealth cause atleast the stealth and even my revo can go offshore but these peddles yaks I doubt
can.
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby arpie » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:11 am

They were always going to do a reverse, cos it was the first thing that EVERYONE said they wanted when they bought their yak. I've had Hobies for 10 years now. I can reverse quite easily just using my net instead of a paddle & happy to continue doing it. Been doing it for years. I won't be going out & buying the new pedals .... yet.

If you do offshore fishing, you are unlikely to need a reverse. It is for close quarter fishing - inshore, dams & rivers.

The 'other' propel yaks only came out with them due to the popularity of the Hobies, which pretty well blitzed the kayak fishing market about 8 years ago. It is good to have competition. THOSE yaks are also 'quite' expensive, unless you are looking at cheapie 'knockoff' versions being churned out in china - so the 'price thing' that USED to separate the cost of yaks is really no longer an issue.

I haven't used one yet, but seen them in action & those that have them for tournament fishing love them. The smaller sized fins makes no difference to the speed of the yaks - they go just as fast if not faster!

It took them a while, but they have come up with their own solution - personally I don't like the 'bicycle' style of pedal that the other yaks use ...... they also seem to 'slouch backwards' more too - I prefer to sit quite upright.

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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby tonystott » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:48 am

One thing I particularly like about my Miragedrive (pre-reverse) is the ability to take smaller strokes. I am 6'3", and my legs take up a lot of room when pedalling the full stroke (as I need to do on my bike). However, the Miragedrive works just as well taking shorter strokes and increasing the cadence to compensate. This is a totally additional feature compared to the widely championed and excellent ability to still pedal in skinny water, by "fluttering" the fins close to the hull.

As arpie said though, competition is a good thing, as we all benefit.
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby laneends » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:22 pm

tonystott wrote:One thing I particularly like about my Miragedrive (pre-reverse) is the ability to take smaller strokes. .


This is essential when trying to manoeuvre at slow speed, substantially reduces turning circle by "shuffling"
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby laneends » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:30 pm

canaryfisher wrote:. Now if you want to go backwards
you have to pull a cable to switch the fins backwards to go backwards which is pretty much the same as
if I just pull the drive out and switch backwards.. .


If your pedal shafts are not in the central position, and you just switch the drive around, they are then likely to be too close or far away depending on setting. Plus anything sitting in bottom of yak (including catch) is likely to disappear down the drive slot when you pull the drive. Reality is it is awkward enough that few do it.

Putting a drive instantly into reverse will also be useful as brake, for when you pass over a mark rather than having to circle round and losing it.

Would be interesting to see someone coming in through surf backwards then hitting forward as a wave approaches.
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby canaryfisher » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:29 pm

I never use my peddles in surf.. its too hard to judge if your on a sand bank or a deep whole..
Use the peddles and it may hit the bottom which will make you flip I'd say.
Better to just either leave them in and lay them flat to the hull and use the paddle.
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby coattail rider » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:36 am

From what I've seen it's no effort at all to pull the cord and flip the drive into reverse. watch a few of the videos of the drive in action. I'll be getting one eventually to put in my revo... Even offshore reverse has its uses. Nothing more frustrating than pedalling over a bait ball and then having drifted over it by the time you've stopped and dropped the baitjig down. Being able to reverse sure beats having to turn around and try and find it again.
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby PiscatorialPursuit » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:00 pm

Instant reverse with both hands on the rod.
No lost seconds fumbling with a lever.
Its a winner for me.
Someone build a PA with a Propel drive n i would be one of the first to sign up.
Can only hope the new Titan is as good as claimed.
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby ScuLL&fIsHbOnEs » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:47 am

Wouldn't it be awsome if Hobie was able to develop an electronic button control which switched the forward and reserve function on the new mirage drive.
Small ligjtweight electric motor attached to mirage drive in s waterproof housing with gearing. Wireless control button mounted near or on the Hobie rudder control.
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby laneends » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:23 am

ScuLL&fIsHbOnEs wrote:Wouldn't it be awsome if Hobie was able to develop an electronic button control which switched the forward and reserve function on the new mirage drive.
Small ligjtweight electric motor attached to mirage drive in s waterproof housing with gearing. Wireless control button mounted near or on the Hobie rudder control.


More expense and more shit to go wrong...

Imagine hitting such a button, and your mates drive in the yak next to you suddenly went into reverse by mistake.. :lol:
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby Plasman » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:12 pm

laneends wrote:
ScuLL&fIsHbOnEs wrote:Wouldn't it be awsome if Hobie was able to develop an electronic button control which switched the forward and reserve function on the new mirage drive.
Small ligjtweight electric motor attached to mirage drive in s waterproof housing with gearing. Wireless control button mounted near or on the Hobie rudder control.


More expense and more shit to go wrong...

Imagine hitting such a button, and your mates drive in the yak next to you suddenly went into reverse by mistake.. :lol:


I'd buy that :lol:
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby canaryfisher » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:01 am

That be pretty easy to do now.. tho the hardest bit would be figuring out how to put the pull cables into the hull but the part that is electronic isn't that hard to do.
And wouldn't cost as much as people would think, hobie wouldn't do it though as its not so much the expense it be just the time and getting it done well.
I admit that hobies don't have many issues, I've had my hobie revo 13 for nearly 6 years now and only had 1 issues with the mirage drive that cost around $20 to fix.
I seen a few videos on these propel kayaks and they have had a few issues in the last few years.. compared to hobie they aren't that great, the engineering and uniqueness of hobie's
drive system is way better then any propel drive. every new Pedal yak that comes out is the same drive they aren't unique like hobie so they never be able to compete.. They by trying to
make the excuse of lower the price and compare the price to hobie yaks but in the long run your paying for quality and performance.

The thing with hobie also compared to these new propel yaks is hobie can upgrade and make the drive newer and better the propel ones are always going to stay the same old boring
propel drive...

ScuLL&fIsHbOnEs wrote:Wouldn't it be awsome if Hobie was able to develop an electronic button control which switched the forward and reserve function on the new mirage drive.
Small ligjtweight electric motor attached to mirage drive in s waterproof housing with gearing. Wireless control button mounted near or on the Hobie rudder control.
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby upto_no_good » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:11 pm

For a price of $4550 ($4750 for camo)for a 2017 model 180 PA12 from slhobie.com, I have to ask is it really worth that sort of money?
A stealth pro fisha 575 from kayak specialist.com is $3750 ( the smaller ones are cheaper still) as a comparison.
What is the expected life of a hobie? I still have my first yak that was 2nd hand when I got it 15 years ago. Its a b line solo fibreglass. Never kept inside just left in the weather. Its almost about to celebrate its 40th bday. It has lost its gelcoat on about half its bottom from logs rocks and just being dragged to the spots and over portages.

Or for a stink boat if you were to spend that same money on an oldish flat bottom or tinny put on a brand new 15hp mercury and 45lb electric and battery you'll still have money left over.
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby upto_no_good » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:11 pm

For a price of $4550 ($4750 for camo)for a 2017 model 180 PA12 from slhobie.com, I have to ask is it really worth that sort of money?
A stealth pro fisha 575 from kayak specialist.com is $3750 ( the smaller ones are cheaper still) as a comparison.
What is the expected life of a hobie? I still have my first yak that was 2nd hand when I got it 15 years ago. Its a b line solo fibreglass. Never kept inside just left in the weather. Its almost about to celebrate its 40th bday. It has lost its gelcoat on about half its bottom from logs rocks and just being dragged to the spots and over portages.

Or for a stink boat if you were to spend that same money on an oldish flat bottom or tinny put on a brand new 15hp mercury and 45lb electric and battery you'll still have money left over.
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Re: Hobie backwards mirage drive

Postby laneends » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:45 pm

upto_no_good wrote:For a price of $4550 ($4750 for camo)for a 2017 model 180 PA12 from slhobie.com, I have to ask is it really worth that sort of money?
A stealth pro fisha 575 from kayak specialist.com is $3750 ( the smaller ones are cheaper still) as a comparison.
What is the expected life of a hobie? I still have my first yak that was 2nd hand when I got it 15 years ago. Its a b line solo fibreglass. Never kept inside just left in the weather. Its almost about to celebrate its 40th bday. It has lost its gelcoat on about half its bottom from logs rocks and just being dragged to the spots and over portages.

Or for a stink boat if you were to spend that same money on an oldish flat bottom or tinny put on a brand new 15hp mercury and 45lb electric and battery you'll still have money left over.
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TBH a hands free fishing kayak is a unique beast. It can't be compared to a paddle kayak and even more remote from a glass ski. Neither is it anything like a tinny. So it comes down to whether you want a pedal kayak, or not, and then doing a price/value comparison between them, commensurate with your budget. Obviously hobie want to stay top of the tree, hence they had to address that one decider that often drove some buyers to their competitors. It all comes at a price, but that value point is a consumer choice.

The amount of moving parts adding to extra stresses and unavoidable potential obsolete issues as performance improvements are made is going to potentially shorten the lifetime of any pedal yak. That comes with the deal and is unavoidable.
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